MEPOPEDIA - Critique of Judgment http://mepopedia.com/forum/list.php?492 Wed, 03 Jun 2026 07:20:52 +0800 Phorum 5.2.7 http://mepopedia.com/forum/read.php?492,10741,12870#msg-12870 Re: §1 A Judgment of Taste Is Aesthetic / Kant's Critique of Judgment http://mepopedia.com/forum/read.php?492,10741,12870#msg-12870
May I discuss Kant's "as-if"? There are limited resources about "as-if" discussion on the web.

What is your opinion on Heisenberg's indeterminacy (uncertainty principle) relating to Kant's noumenon?]]> boris Critique of Judgment Tue, 10 May 2011 21:42:00 +0800 http://mepopedia.com/forum/read.php?492,10741,10741#msg-10741 §1 A Judgment of Taste Is Aesthetic / Kant's Critique of Judgment http://mepopedia.com/forum/read.php?492,10741,10741#msg-10741 If we wish to decide whether something is beautiful or not, we do not use understanding to refer the presentation4 to the object so as to give rise to cognition;5 rather, we use imagination (perhaps in connection with understanding) to refer the presentation to the subject and his feeling of pleasure or displeasure. Hence a judgment of taste is not a cognitive judgment and so is not a logical judgment but an aesthetic one, by which we mean a judgment whose determining basis cannot be other than subjective. But any reference of presentations, even of sensations, can be objective (in which case it signifies what is real [rather than formal] in an empirical presentation); excepted is a reference to the feeling of pleasure and displeasurethis reference designates nothing whatsoever in the object, but here the subject feels himself, [namely] how he is affected by the presentation.
To apprehend a regular, purposive building with one's cognitive power6 (whether the presentation is distinct or confused) is very different from being conscious of this presentation with a sensation of liking. Here the presentation is referred only to the subject, namely, to his feeling of life, under the name feeling of pleasure or displeasure, and this forms the basis of a very special power of discriminating and judging.7

This power does not contribute anything to cognition, but merely compares the given presentation in the subject with the entire presentational power, of which the mind becomes conscious when it feels its own state. The presentations given in a judgment may be empirical (and hence aesthetic8), but if we refer them to the object, the judgment we make by means of them is logical. On the other hand, even if the given presentations were rational, they would still be aesthetic if, and to the extent that, the subject referred them, in his judgment, solely to himself (to his feeling).


4[ Vorstellung, traditionally rendered as `representation: (See above, Ak. 175 br. n. 17.) `Presentation' is a generic term referring to such objects of our direct awareness as sensations, intuitions, perceptions, concepts, cognitions, ideas, and schemata. Cf. the Critique of Pure Reason, A 320 = B 376-77 and A 140 = B 179.1
5[Erkenntnis. Cf. above, Ak. 167 br. n. 2.]
6[ For my use of 'power,' rather than `faculty,' see above, Ak. 167 br. n. 3.1
7[Beurteilung. On Kant's attempt to make a terminological distinction between 'beurteilen' and 'urteilen,'see above, Ak. 169 br. n. 9.1
8[ From Greek aisthesthai`to sense']
]]> Hsinping Critique of Judgment Sun, 20 Feb 2011 19:42:18 +0800 http://mepopedia.com/forum/read.php?492,7178,7204#msg-7204 Re: Why "a judgment of taste cannot be based on a subjective purpose?" http://mepopedia.com/forum/read.php?492,7178,7204#msg-7204 HP Critique of Judgment Sun, 01 Aug 2010 06:44:47 +0800 http://mepopedia.com/forum/read.php?492,7178,7197#msg-7197 Re: Why "a judgment of taste cannot be based on a subjective purpose?" http://mepopedia.com/forum/read.php?492,7178,7197#msg-7197 gustav Critique of Judgment Sat, 31 Jul 2010 18:45:20 +0800 http://mepopedia.com/forum/read.php?492,7178,7178#msg-7178 Why "a judgment of taste cannot be based on a subjective purpose?" http://mepopedia.com/forum/read.php?492,7178,7178#msg-7178
Whenever a purpose is regarded as the basis of a liking, it always carries with it an interest, as the basis that determines the judgment about the object of the pleasure. Hence a judgment of taste cannot be based on a subjective purpose.

I don't quite understand why the the statement of the second sentence is true, and I don't see the connection between the first and the second sentences.

And, I also noticed something interesting in the last sentence (§11):

Therefore the liking that, without a concept, ...... , can be nothing but the subjective purposiveness in the presentation of an object, without any purpose (whether objective or subjective), and hence the mere form of purposiveness, insofar as we are conscious of it, in the presentation by which an object is given us.]]> HP Critique of Judgment Fri, 30 Jul 2010 21:42:08 +0800 http://mepopedia.com/forum/read.php?492,5764,5767#msg-5767 Re: What is THIS? "This" forms the basis of a very special power of discriminating and judging. http://mepopedia.com/forum/read.php?492,5764,5767#msg-5767
Pluhar's English translation: Here the presentation is referred only to the subject, namely, to his feeling of life, under the name feeling of pleasure and displeasure, and this forms the basis of a very special power of discriminating and judging.


1. Pluhar's "this" refers to the subject, as well as, more specifically, the feeling of life. According to the German original, "this" is the translation of the neutral relational pronoun "welches" which can be taken to refer to the antecedent neural noun(s) "das Subjekt", "das Lebensgefühl" or "des Gefühls." Since these neutral nouns are appositives and share the same gender, they all could be taken to be the referent of "whecles". To understand the sentence, we can think as the following:
It is the subject, namely, the feeling of life (in the subject) which is better specified under the name of the feeling of pleasure and displeasure, that forms the basis of the very special power of discriminating and judging.

2. "Name" is not an emphasis here; it is "the feeling of pleasure and displeasure" that matters here. Kant tries to indicate that the "feeling of life" is better understood with, or further specified by, the name of "feeling of pleasure and displeasure" here.]]> gustav Critique of Judgment Tue, 06 Apr 2010 11:09:50 +0800 http://mepopedia.com/forum/read.php?492,5764,5764#msg-5764 What is THIS? "This" forms the basis of a very special power of discriminating and judging. http://mepopedia.com/forum/read.php?492,5764,5764#msg-5764
Here the presentation is referred only to the subject, namely, to his feeling of life, under the name feeling of pleasure and displeasure, and this forms the basis of a very special power of discriminating and judging.

I am wondering: what specifically "this" refers to?

Also, I am wondering is that Kant really use "under the name" of pleasure and displeasure. It seems he uses "the name" on purpose.]]> HP Critique of Judgment Tue, 06 Apr 2010 02:55:11 +0800